19 Class MON MAR 29

Wake Up: How to Fix a Slogan


The National Science Teachers Association

“Working to Help Improve
Science Teaching Efforts since 2008”

  1. We want to improve teaching, not effort.
  2. We want to do the improving, not help.
  3. We want to show results, not work at it.

The National Science Teachers Association

“Better Science Teaching since 2008”

Even that doesn’t brag about the ultimate result, which would be more science LEARNING, wouldn’t it? No matter how well the Association improves teaching, if students don’t learn more science, it fails.

The National Science Teachers Association

“Our Students Learn More, and We Can Prove it.”


The National Science Teachers Association

“Demonstrably Better Learning since 2008”

The Rhetoric Unit

  • Rhetoric Workshop
    • Includes In-Class Rhetoric Exercise
    • Located in Lectures/Revision/Revision—Rhetoric

The Sources Unit

  • Sources Workshop Number 2
    • Responsive to Student X’s trouble finding academic sources
    • Located in Course Documents/Research Tips/Sources Workshop

Take Home Task

But Enough About You

16 Responses to 19 Class MON MAR 29

  1. oaktree1234 says:

    11/3 Notes
    Wake Up: how to fix a slogan
    -slogans are usually arguments
    “Working to help improve science teaching efforts since 2008” -causal/ definition/ proposal argument
    -better argument: Improve Science Teaching

    The Rhetoric Unit
    “straw man” weak argument, need a legit argument to refute
    “car seats are unsafe” -acknowledge that car seats are safe but only if ALL conditions are met, how often are they safe?

    Take home task: But Enough About You


  2. rowanstudent24 says:

    11/3 Notes:
    – New slogan: Demonstrating the best science teaching since 2008.
    – Using common knowledge is not a great way to refute an argument. It’s a very weak argument. Try to add more detail and be more specific during a rebuttal argument.
    -Get rid of all the second person language in the take home task.


  3. cardinal7218 says:

    -What kind of argument is a slogan?
    -Defeniton/categorical, saying what kind of organization it is
    -Proposal, trying to make a factual claim but it’s not proven so it’s a proposal
    -When making a claim, don’t add qualifiers that weaken your argument
    -If possible, show your results in the slogan to prove your effectiveness, that’s the strongest claim

    -Better slogan:

    -We don’t say “you” in academic/persuasive writing. We’re not lecturing
    -The “you” creates distinction between the speaker and the audience, it’s condescending and creates a hierarchy
    -Save second person for recipes and instructions

    -Don’t want to refute a straw man argument, find an actual person to argue with
    -Indicate another point of view, respect the other point of view, then refute

    -Transitions are important
    -Compress your argument
    -Keep the process going and your reader will follow. Don’t give any natural breaks where the reader can stop and start refuting your argument


  4. runnerd4 says:

    Wake up: How to fix a slogan
    The slogan, like all other text, is an argument
    proposal, definitional, causal
    all it says is that they are TRYING to improve teaching EFFORTS

    “Improving Science Learning Since 2008”

    rhetoric workshop
    try to find a refuting source, to avoid the audience thinking that I am using a straw man argument
    We need the audience to clearly understand what we are refuting
    get visual, physical details
    false analogy, false conclusion, paint a divergent opinion into a corner
    turn it from simple to absurdity

    Effective rhetoric helps us to get our reader to understand and maybe even agree with what we are saying.
    Make it as brief and clear as possible to make sure the reader has no time to object to what you are saying.

    Sources Workshop
    Latch onto signal phrases, not just your main idea. A repeated phrase is a good thing to look for

    Take-Home Task
    Eliminate 2nd person language in the paragraph. (you, your, yours, yourself…)
    make more edits to improve it.


  5. clementine102 says:

    – My Notes –
    – How to Fix a Slogan –
    – Slogans usually are categorical arguments and causal arguments. In this case, this slogan is both.
    – It is causal because they want to work hard to help improve teaching in the long run
    – Rhetoric Workshop –
    – In a rebuttal argument, we need to debunk an analogy
    – Recognize the worthy opponents agreement and soon after shut it down
    – Acknowledge the rhetorical strategy you are using
    – Post own paragraph in Rhetoric and Scholarship page
    – Go over take home task


  6. l8tersk8ter says:

    How to fix a slogan:
    – Should brag about what they are doing, not what they attempt to sort of do a little bit
    – “Improving Teaching for Better Learning”
    The Rhetoric Unit
    – Identify counter argument and invalidate it
    – Debunk that opposing side, show how they are wrong or misled
    But Enough About You
    – Don’t use second person (“you”)
    – Take Home Assignment


  7. dayzur says:


    -Better Slogan: Continuing to improve Science Teaching since 2008
    -No use of 2nd person perspective
    -Academic sources may be hard to find so change how you look for them
    -An argument is an argument because people don’t agree on a viewpoint, this is what we are trying to change
    -Someone wont want to change their viewpoint when argued against
    -People with opposing view will point out flaws in argument
    -Point out the flaws in their opposing views
    -Take Home Task: But Enough About You


  8. sonnypetro29 says:

    My notes 11-3-2020

    -National science teachers association/ they have not improved the teaching science they just try to help other people improve.
    -rhetoric workshop
    -how to get the reader to understand what you are saying and maybe even persuade them to agree with you.
    – in class exercise on authors point, Worthy opponent, Rhetoric Strategy.
    – Take home assignment Enough about you.


  9. comicdub says:

    11/03/20 Notes:
    – Better Slogan: Improved Science Teaching since 2008
    – Take home task, getting rid of all second person language in a paragraph
    – Don’t use “you” in your writing as it creates a gap between the writer and the reader
    – The purpose of the rebuttal essay is to find the best argument and refute it
    – Our posts should have reasonable titles, bold and centered
    – Posts should also include bibliographic data, not just links, that is in alphabetical order
    – References should be indicated with a header that says “References”, centered and not bold


  10. pardonmyfrench13 says:

    Class Notes:11/3/20
    • Bland statements do not make for a good slogan
    • Don’t add qualifiers
    • Slogan was causal and categorical argument
    • Show results in slogan to make stronger
    • New Slogan: “The Very Best in Science Teaching since 2008”
    Rhetoric Workshop:
    • Acknowledge rhetoric technique author (I am) is using
    • Recognize counter argument and shut it down quickly
    • Essay due -Thursday
    • Enough About You


  11. gooferious says:

    11/03/2020 Notes:
    – NSTA slogan does not meet the highest standard
    – When writing essays avoid writing in second person
    – With rebuttal arguments we should try to pinpoint on someone and rebut their opinion
    – Improve language to get the message across better


  12. profs22 says:

    How to fix a slogan
    Slogans are usually causal arguments
    Dont use second person

    Rhetoric Workshop
    Author’s position, worthy opponent, rhetorical strategy
    Debunk opposing argument

    How to find sources using google scholar or rowans Campbell library

    Take home assignment: But enough about you


  13. gabythefujoshi18 says:

    11/3 Notes
    Warm-Up: How to Fix a Slogan
    “Working to Help Improve
    Science Teaching Efforts since 2008”-
    -is a causal/categorical argument but is not bold
    -only helping improve science teaching efforts(working)

    *Better slogan: Bettering the Learning of Students*

    -Refrain from Using Second Person in Arguments

    -Rhetoric Workshop


  14. corinne buck says:

    NSTA- bad slogan
    rhetoric unit
    but enough about you
    take home task


  15. hailthegreat8 says:

    Notes 11/3/2020
    -How to fix the slogan
    -slogan is basically casual arguments
    -do not add qualifiers
    -The take-home task


  16. shadowswife says:


    Wake Up: How to Fix a Slogan
    – What kind of argument is a slogan?
    * It is a categorical claim.
    * It is a proposal claim.
    * It is a causal argument.
    – “Working to Help Improve Science Teaching Efforts since 2008”
    * It is a causal argument because their efforts to improve science teaching has a causal effect on something.
    * It is a categorical claim because the slogan has a label to what subject the organization is focusing on.
    * It is a proposal claim because of what the slogan proposes which subject to improve on teaching.
    – The slogan has a weak claim.
    * The slogan is claiming that they have been trying to improve science teaching which is what makes the claim weak.
    * It is best for the slogan to state their achievements in order to have a stronger claim.
    * The ultimate result is better science teaching is better science learning.
    – “Achieved Better Science Learning since 2008”

    The Rhetoric Unit:
    – Second person point of view should not be used in formal writing.
    – You cannot refute a “straw man” or weak opposition.
    * It needs to say where that opposition came from.
    – The author needs to acknowledge that there’s an opposing argument to their argument.
    – There are various rhetorical strategies that could be used to refute:
    * False analogy
    * False Conclusion
    * The definition of something
    * Minimizing the effectiveness of the opposition
    – You need to still be respectful of how people will have different opinions even if it is controversial.
    – A more rhetorically effective argument should have clear grammar.
    – The argument needs clear statements that the reader can easily interpret.
    – The reader needs to be persuaded to accept an overall premise.
    – A rhetoric can hide or reveal your arguments.
    – It is best to make your statements as brief as you can.
    * The more information you provide to the reader, the less likely they will start to think of an objection.


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